[Carpenter Prairie Discussion] biomass & energy

Steve Flick steveaflick at earthlink.net
Sat Dec 26 12:08:48 CST 2009


Show Me Energy has been collaborating on a PILOT project that will convert
biomass to oil- then down stream to bio-diesel that is economical and
sustainable. Our intent is to license this technology after we build the
scale up plant sometime in the future- maybe 2011 

We have to have national U.S. policy be the driver- just like the E.U. 

WHAT IS OUR TRANSPORTATION FUELS OF THE FUTURE- BIO-DIESEL/CORN/CELLULOSIC
ETHANOL/HYDROGEN/ELETRIC??? All of them? 

Steve 

Mervin - 

Its a topic of much debate, especially with respect to ethanol from 

corn. Apparently some other crops, like sugar-cane, are many times more 

efficient. 

You can find more material than any human can read if you Google "Food 

for Fuel", "Food vs. Fuel", etc. Here is a sample link: 

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_food.html 

All that said, it likely marginal when using corn as a feedstock, 

especially if you factor in the energy associated with building the 

tractors, semi's used to haul the grain, refinery overhead, etc. 

I'm sure Rudi has a much more definitive answer. Rudi? You have been 

studying this for years in detail, I suspect the question has been 

raised before! 

Kevin 

Mervin Wallace wrote: 

> Please correct me if I am wrong, but approximately 43 years ago I 

> learned in college chemistry class that more energy is required to 

> distill ethanon than is gotten out of the final product. (We talked 

> about perpetual motion devices at the same time). 

> 

> I assume that process has not changed, and ethanol production in most 

> situations is relying on fossil fuel to heat the mash. 

> 

> If distilation of alcohol could be accomplished using the spent steam 

> from steam generating plants (coal gas and NUKE), it seems the ethanol 

> manufacturers could hold their heads much higher in this greening world. 

> 

> Boiling point of alcohol: 78.5 deg. C 

> Steam temp: 100+ deg. C 

> 

> A place to learn more is through the article by Kelley E Jones, 

> referenced below: 

> 

> BT - Direct Injection of *Steam* for Mash*Temperature* Control 

> <http://brewingtechniques.com/library/backissues/issue2.4/jones.html> 

> I recall doing a pilot-scale experiment on the use 

> of*steam* for *temperature* control as part of a laboratory course in 

> my chemical 
 

> brewingtechniques.com/library/b 

> <http://brewingtechniques.com/library/b>... - 

> 

> 

> Mervin Wallace 

> Missouri Wildflowers Nursery 

> Sent from my iPhone 

> 

> On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Rudi Roeslein <RRoeslein at ROESLEIN.com 

> <mailto:RRoeslein at ROESLEIN.com>> wrote: 

> 

>> Thank you all for your professional and very well thought out and 

>> varied input on this matter. I am the CEO of a company 

>> www.roeslein.com <http://www.roeslein.com> that has actually been 

>> involved in the ethanol industry for a number of years and in fact 

>> just completed two very large corn based projects for EBenX/Abengoa, 

>> in Illinois and in Indiana. We have also worked with BlueFire on 

>> their Lancaster California proposed project for several years. We 

>> have also been instrumental in taking modular processes to over 40 

>> different countries in the past 20 years using a modular approach 

>> that uses American Technology, but more importantly our labor to 

>> produce and manufacture over 60 % of the labor that would normally be 

>> stick built in these foreign countries. All of these processes were 

>> proven and commercially viable, and they had a track record of 

>> success in the US before we took them overseas. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The facts regarding the bio fuel industry and which technology will 

>> actually prove to be commercially viable are still evolving and 

>> unproven commercially. There are several technologies that have been 

>> proven to work in both laboratory scales and even with demonstration 

>> scales. It is however a huge leap commercially and technologically 

>> to scale these units up to a commercially viable production facility. 

>> It will take companies with a proven track record of success in 

>> related industries and that have the financial staying power to 

>> weather the financial droughts to be successful in this arena. I 

>> have spent the last three years studying this industry in order to 

>> make sound and well informed decisions on which process company we 

>> should engage our modular services with the expectation of provide 

>> long term modular engineering and manufacturing services. 

>> 

>> I have also visited the University of Minnesota and met with Dr. 

>> David Tilman and Dr. Clarence Lehman to discuss their views on this 

>> subject and to visit their research farm where they are growing 

>> various grasses and conducting a variety of tests. I have also met 

>> with Dr. Peter Raven, the Director of the Missouri Botanical garden 

>> regarding the biodiversity of plants and animals and how various 

>> countries like China are dealing with their industrialization and the 

>> environment. I have read countless magazines, articles, publications 

>> and must profess I still do not pretend to be “smarter than a fifth 

>> grader”. These efforts were all towards making a sound decision as 

>> to the right decision on feedstock materials. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have traveled extensively to China since 1982, and have witnessed 

>> firsthand the growth of industry, infrastructure, and the shift from 

>> fairly low energy means of transportation such as bicycles, motor 

>> scooters, trains, buses, and just plain foot power to a highly 

>> mechanized motorcade of cars and other combustion engines. Because 

>> Dr. Raven has worked with many different countries and especially 

>> China we discussed the biodiversity of plants along the more 

>> industrialized eastern sections of the country and shared the same 

>> view. It is an ecological travesty and a disaster. The rivers are 

>> extremely polluted, the natural resources are exploited to the 

>> breaking point and in a lot of cities the air quality is deplorable. 

>> What does that have to do with this subject? I believe it has to do 

>> with the fact that China is a window into the future of any 

>> developing nation dealing with a very high demand on all of its 

>> resources because of population explosions. When I immigrated to the 

>> US in 1956 there were 150 million people. Today there are over 300 

>> million people. The burgeoning demands on all of our resources will 

>> continue to grow and it scares the hell out of me to think that China 

>> is an example of what could happen here. I am sure there are a few 

>> right now saying that can’t happen, but in just the last 20 years of 

>> my travelling back and forth from St. Louis to my central Missouri 

>> farm in Osage County I have seen a tremendous amount of growth and 

>> development that has continued to gobble up prime farm real estate 

>> and wildlife habitat. I have travelled all over the US and seen the 

>> same explosion. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I truly believe that Missouri needs a comprehensive energy, land, 

>> water, and resource utilization plan that inventories what we have 

>> today and how we best intend to utilize those resources in the 

>> future, as well as position Missouri to attract the leading process 

>> providers in this industry.. Dr. Clarence Lehman and some of his 

>> colleagues at the University of Minnesota prepared a very 

>> comprehensive feasibility study for the White Horse Indian 

>> reservation, that “presents a detailed analysis of the economic and 

>> technical feasibility of utilizing existing biomass resources on the 

>> White Horse Reservation to develop a renewable energy biofuels 

>> demonstration facility. It also considers the possibility of 

>> developing, harvesting and marketing native prairie plants and seeds 

>> for bioenergy production.” I am copying Dr Lehman on this email 

>> since he was kind enough to provide me with a copy of this extremely 

>> professional and well done study. I am sharing the executive summary 

>> with this group since I believe it is imperative that the policy 

>> makers and the decision makers of this state become well informed 

>> regarding this important subject. There will be many companies and 

>> people purported to have the solutions and answers for this hot and 

>> politically charges subject. I believe the State of Missouri should 

>> do a similar study before deciding how and where to spend the money 

>> that is going to be expended for this exciting new industry. We have 

>> an opportunity to get it right and combine our industrial efforts and 

>> economic stimulus with environmental and conservation causes that are 

>> scientifically sound and environmentally sustainable. I believe the 

>> 20 years that Dr. Tilman and other renowned scientists have studied 

>> the benefits of a diverse and varied planting has convinced me the 

>> sustainable way of taking this industry is thru the use of our 

>> prairie planting and the many benefits derived from this once 

>> abundant and beneficial eco system. I am working with the process 

>> providers to convince them to develop their processes to be able to 

>> fully utilize these resources. It is up to the assigned 

>> representatives of Missouri to come up with a plan to attract 

>> investment. The planting of grasslands is an essential part of the 

>> needs of this industry, and needs to be a very high priority or we 

>> will be left out of the mainstream movement. If you don’t have the 

>> supply of biomass material the process providers will not come. I 

>> believe such a study would certainly be a good first step in the 

>> right direction. If Dr. Lehman approves the idea I will send 

>> interested parties a full copy of this report, or would be happy to 

>> meet with them to review the entire report.” This study evaluated the 

>> conversion platforms ranging from the simple to the complex with the 

>> common goal of converting renewable biomass to some useful form of 

>> energy that is called biofuel.” 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The question to be answered by the study are: 

>> 

>> 1.How do the various conversion platforms differ? 

>> 

>> 2.How does plant scale affect economic performance? 

>> 

>> 3.What are capital costs and return on investment for the platforms? 

>> 

>> 4.What is the financial impact of biomass cost and rack prices of 

>> ethanol and gasoline? 

>> 

>> 5. How much biomass is required for different platforms? 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have purchased 1100 acres of land in Putnam county and will be 

>> converting the marginal agricultural land to native prairie plantings 

>> and am currently working with the MDC, PLM John Murphy to provide an 

>> example of what can be done with WSG plantings and have at least 300 

>> to 500 acres of prairie plantings available for our process providers 

>> by the time they are ready to take their process commercial. This is 

>> obviously a drop in the bucket since it will take over four hundred 

>> thousands acres to support a single 50 mm gallon economically 

>> viable plant, and as has been pointed out within a economical viable 

>> range of that plant. I am taking the prairie planting route since it 

>> provides so many environmental benefits that are lacking in 

>> monolithic plantings of most other alternatives. Since this farm is 

>> located near an area that once supported prairie chickens I am hoping 

>> an added befit will be to provide the wildlife friendly grasses and 

>> forbs necessary to the survival of this diminishing species. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> In addition, Dr. Tilman’s studies have repeatedly demonstrated these 

>> benefits to be to sequester CO2, filter the water, as well as 

>> replenish the ground water table, prevent soil erosion, provide 

>> innumerable wildlife habitat benefits, and provide the insects and 

>> forage that most cool season grasses, especially fescue is lacking. 

>> Even if Biofuel develops in a different direction or not at all these 

>> biodiverse plantings in native prairie are a sound investment in our 

>> environment and our wildlife conservation program.. The very 

>> biodiversity that makes them a challenge will bring out the best in 

>> our technological superiority, and our ingenuity. We did to go to 

>> the moon without overcoming challenges and developing new products 

>> and technology. No, I believe if we had not gone to the moon many of 

>> the new scientific break thru in computer technology, propellants 

>> and untold other new inventions that would not be with us today. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have traveled throughout the US and Canada hunting the bountiful 

>> wildlife we are so privileged to have and repeatedly sung the praises 

>> of our state as leaders in conservation and wildlife practices. We 

>> are at a threshold of opportunity and it is thru leadership by 

>> example and making informed decisions based on science and biology 

>> that we will take our rightful role in this very important movement. 

>> Please do not be misled by political or special interest groups that 

>> do not take our wildlife and our most precious resources into 

>> consideration, but seem to have simplistic and self serving answers. 

>> I have seen the end result of that process in China and can only work 

>> frantically on my properties to show an example of what can be a 

>> viable and sustainable alternative. I hope all of you will become 

>> informed on the entire subject and not just some small narrow band of 

>> interest. Take the challenge, help be part of the solution and not 

>> the problem. Please take time to read the attachment and if Dr . 

>> Lehman approves the idea I will send the interested parties the 

>> entire study. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> *From:* Bill McGuire [mailto:Bill.McGuire at mdc.mo.gov] 

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:05 AM 

>> *To:* 'steveaflick at earthlink.net 

>> <mailto:%27steveaflick at earthlink.net>'; 'Scott Woodbury'; 'Hamilton 

>> Native Outpost'; 'Frank Oberle'; Rudi Roeslein; 'Carol Davit'; 'Kevin 

>> Carpenter'; 'Jon Wingo' 

>> *Cc:* 'Ben Duffield'; 'Amy Buechler'; 'Mervin Wallace'; John Hoskins; 

>> 'John Burk'; John Knudsen; 'Steve Mowry'; Dave Erickson; 'Denny 

>> Donnell'; 'Wayne Morton'; 'George Seek'; 'Kelly Srigley Werner'; 

>> 'Linda Tossing'; 'Alan Leary'; 'Ted Cooper'; 'Susan Hazelwood'; 'Mike 

>> Currier'; 'Steve Heyling'; Andrew Forbes; 'James Trager'; 'Tim 

>> Barksdale'; 'Tim Reinbott'; 'phil wire'; DeeCee Darrow; John Murphy; 

>> 'Dave Murphy'; Bill Bergh; 'Dwaine Gelnar'; 'Allen Powell'; 'JR 

>> Flores'; 'Eddie Hamill'; Gene Gardner; Tim Banek; 'Darlene Johnson'; 

>> 'Karen Brinkman'; Brent Jamison; Keith Jackson; Aaron Jeffries; 'Jean 

>> Herman'; 'Steve Bruckerhoff'; 'Jerry Kaiser'; 'Ken Struemph'; 

>> staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* RE: biomass 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> CRP is a national program and the reasons it exists are complex. 

>> There is not a lot of support at the national level (more broadly 

>> than conveyed below) to moving CRP away from the soil, water, 

>> wildlife and related purposes that have been legislated. There is 

>> more support for the idea of CRP as a reservoir of biomass feedstocks 

>> if done as compatible use (i.e. harvest OK as long as the purposes of 

>> the program are preserved and in accordance with existing authorities 

>> which reflect negotiated position among many diverse groups) – there 

>> is less support as thinking moves CRP away from that paradigm. Some 

>> of the USDA representatives receiving this message can correct me if 

>> wrong but biomass harvest from CRP has been possible since the 2002 

>> Farm Bill. It is also important to know that CRP has been an 

>> important emergency reservoir of forage that has benefited livestock 

>> producers in times of weather-related disaster (many, many times in 

>> just about every state with significant CRP) and that is only 

>> possible by way of CRP being what it is. CRP has always been viewed 

>> as a reservoir of land that could quickly go back in crop production 

>> in the event of national emergency such as war (the Secretary of 

>> Agriculture has authority to make that call). It won’t be possible 

>> for CRP to be all of the above all the time and changing the magic of 

>> the formula that created and maintains CRP could erode flexibility 

>> for the land to be what the country needs when it is needed. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> There is much uncertainty about the CRP and biofuel feedstock 

>> production but the following factors are very much at play: 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> · Producing biofuel feedstocks on CRP or other land will 

>> accomplish little unless there is a processing or other facility to 

>> use it within a reasonable distance (50-75 miles is the distance 

>> usually discussed because to transport farther makes biofuel 

>> production uneconomical). 

>> 

>> · Industry (and often academia) continues to be focused on 

>> maximizing production from single-purpose monoculture production and 

>> that will drive things in the short term which could turn into the 

>> long term. 

>> 

>> · Funding and economics will be the overriding factors for 

>> some time to come (as in money from programs, tax or other incentives 

>> and bottom-line profitability). 

>> 

>> · Change to CRP that benefits wildlife in one part of the 

>> U.S. can result in harm to wildlife if applied in another place. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> A final word on CRP is simply to be aware that the playing field is 

>> very complicated as is the biofuels playing field. Put them together 

>> and you have a 3-D chess game in terms of complexity and that is 

>> loaded with potential for unintended consequence. My only advice is 

>> to seek to understand all the issues before coming to very many 

>> conclusions. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Bill 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> *From:* Steve Flick [mailto:steveaflick at earthlink.net] 

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:46 AM 

>> *To:* 'Scott Woodbury'; 'Hamilton Native Outpost'; 'Frank Oberle'; 

>> 'Rudi Roeslein'; 'Carol Davit'; 'Kevin Carpenter'; 'Jon Wingo' 

>> *Cc:* 'Ben Duffield'; 'Amy Buechler'; 'Mervin Wallace'; John Hoskins; 

>> 'John Burk'; John Knudsen; 'Steve Mowry'; Dave Erickson; 'Denny 

>> Donnell'; 'Wayne Morton'; 'George Seek'; 'Kelly Srigley Werner'; 

>> 'Linda Tossing'; 'Alan Leary'; 'Ted Cooper'; 'Susan Hazelwood'; 'Mike 

>> Currier'; 'Steve Heyling'; Andrew Forbes; 'James Trager'; 'Tim 

>> Barksdale'; 'Tim Reinbott'; 'phil wire'; DeeCee Darrow; John Murphy; 

>> 'Dave Murphy'; Bill Bergh; Bill McGuire; 'Dwaine Gelnar'; 'Allen 

>> Powell'; 'JR Flores'; 'Eddie Hamill'; Gene Gardner; Tim Banek; 

>> 'Darlene Johnson'; 'Karen Brinkman'; Brent Jamison; Keith Jackson; 

>> Aaron Jeffries; 'Jean Herman'; 'Steve Bruckerhoff'; 'Jerry Kaiser'; 

>> 'Ken Struemph'; staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* RE: biomass 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have been growing miscanthus for years as a feedstock for the bio 

>> refinery- although there is a FSA program about to be launched for 

>> spring 2010 for dedicated energy crop production- you still need a 

>> organization to purchase that crop- and refine it 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> As it relates to CRP- I believe you will have to get through policy 

>> of NWF/EDL/Nature Conservancy- to make that happen- they are big 

>> policy makers in D.C.- pretty tough assignment 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Regards 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Steve A Flick Principal Environmental Ecologist 

>> 

>> Flick Seed Company 

>> 

>> 1764 N.W. 50 rd P.O. Box 128 

>> 

>> Kingsville, Mo. 64061 

>> 

>> 816-597-3822(o) 

>> 

>> 816-597-3663(f) 

>> 

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>> 

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>> -----Original Message----- 

>> *From:* Scott Woodbury [mailto:Scott.Woodbury at mobot.org] 

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:32 AM 

>> *To:* Hamilton Native Outpost; Frank Oberle; Rudi Roeslein; Carol 

>> Davit; Kevin Carpenter; Jon Wingo 

>> *Cc:* Ben Duffield; Amy Buechler; Mervin Wallace; John Hoskins; John 

>> Burk; John Knudsen; Steve Mowry; David Erickson; Denny Donnell; Wayne 

>> Morton; George Seek; Kelly Srigley Werner; Linda Tossing; Alan Leary; 

>> Ted Cooper; Susan Hazelwood; Mike Currier; Steve Heyling; Andrew 

>> Forbes; James Trager; Tim Barksdale; Tim Reinbott; phil wire; DeeCee 

>> Darrow; John Murphy; Dave Murphy; Bill Bergh; Bill McGuire; Dwaine 

>> Gelnar; Allen Powell; JR Flores; Eddie Hamill; Gene Gardner; Tim 

>> Banek; Darlene Johnson; Karen Brinkman; Brent Jamison; Keith Jackson; 

>> Aaron Jeffries; Jean Herman; Steve Bruckerhoff; Steve Flick; Jerry 

>> Kaiser; Ken Struemph; staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* RE: biomass 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> This sounds great as long as long as landowners opt for a diverse 

>> planting in CRP. Right now the research on biomass is showing that 

>> sterile hybrid miscanthus yields 2-3 times as much biomass as native 

>> switchgrass, and therefore could bring in more money. That’s 

>> comparing a pure stand of switchgrass to a pure stand of miscanthus. 

>> Now days’ CRP isn’t a pure stand of switchgrass. My fear is that 

>> landowners will drop CRP when they see that they can make more money 

>> growing miscanthus? Of course this can’t happen until Miscanthus 

>> production becomes mechanized. Please tell me otherwise. I don’t like 

>> the idea of miscanthus replacing CRP. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Scott 

>> 

>> 

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>> *From:* Hamilton Native Outpost [mailto:hamilton at train.missouri.org] 

>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2009 1:56 PM 

>> *To:* 'Frank Oberle'; 'Rudi Roeslein'; 'Carol Davit'; 'Kevin 

>> Carpenter'; 'Jon Wingo' 

>> *Cc:* 'Ben Duffield'; 'Amy Buechler'; 'Mervin Wallace'; 'John 

>> Hoskins'; 'John Burk'; 'John Knudsen'; 'Steve Mowry'; 'David 

>> Erickson'; 'Denny Donnell'; 'Wayne Morton'; 'George Seek'; 'Kelly 

>> Srigley Werner'; 'Linda Tossing'; 'Alan Leary'; 'Ted Cooper'; 'Susan 

>> Hazelwood'; 'Mike Currier'; 'Steve Heyling'; 'Andrew Forbes'; James 

>> Trager; Scott Woodbury; 'Tim Barksdale'; 'Tim Reinbott'; 'phil wire'; 

>> 'DeeCee Darrow'; 'John Murphy'; 'Dave Murphy'; 'Bill Bergh'; 'Bill 

>> McGuire'; 'Dwaine Gelnar'; 'Allen Powell'; 'JR Flores'; 'Eddie 

>> Hamill'; 'Gene Gardner'; 'Tim Banek'; 'Darlene Johnson'; 'Karen 

>> Brinkman'; 'Brent Jamison'; 'Keith Jackson'; 'Aaron Jeffries'; 'Jean 

>> Herman'; 'Steve Bruckerhoff'; 'Steve Flick'; 'Jerry Kaiser'; 'Ken 

>> Struemph'; staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* RE: biomass 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> CRP as we have known it in the past may have been a fescue field or a 

>> rank stand of native grasses with little diversity. Conservation is 

>> ready to step up to the next level and create rare and declining 

>> habitat. To marry biofuels with wildlife conservation has the added 

>> benefit of bringing disturbance into the picture. Disturbance is 

>> important to grasslands; fire, herbivores, and climatic extremes once 

>> acted as disturbance factors. The use of the mowing on the biofuel ¼ 

>> or 1/3 would be a forn of disturbance as would the burning on another 

>> ¼ or 1/3. Some of the grassland wildlife is even dependent on this 

>> disturbance. I think this has lots of potential. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Amy Hamilton 

>> 

>> Hamilton Native Outpost 

>> 

>> 

>> 

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>> 

>> *From:* Frank Oberle [mailto:foberle at nemr.net] 

>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:00 PM 

>> *To:* Rudi Roeslein; Carol Davit; Kevin Carpenter; Jon Wingo 

>> *Cc:* Ben Duffield; Amy Hamilton; Amy Buechler; Mervin Wallace; John 

>> Hoskins; John Burk; John Knudsen; Steve Mowry; Amy Buechler; David 

>> Erickson; Denny Donnell; Wayne Morton; George Seek; John Burk; Kelly 

>> Srigley Werner; Linda Tossing; Steve Mowry; Alan Leary; Ted Cooper; 

>> Susan Hazelwood; Mike Currier; Steve Heyling; Andrew Forbes; James 

>> Trager; Scott Woodbury; Tim Barksdale; Tim Reinbott; phil wire; 

>> DeeCee Darrow; John Murphy; Dave Murphy; Bill Bergh; Bill McGuire; 

>> Dwaine Gelnar; Allen Powell; JR Flores; Eddie Hamill; Dwaine Gelnar; 

>> Gene Gardner; Tim Banek; Darlene Johnson; Karen Brinkman; Brent 

>> Jamison; Keith Jackson; Aaron Jeffries; Jean Herman; Steve 

>> Bruckerhoff; Steve Flick; Jerry Kaiser; Ken Struemph; Andrew Forbes; 

>> staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* Fw: biomass 

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>> *Policy and Policymakers* 

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>> *In Washington,* the popularity of the USDA's Biomass Crop Assistance 

>> Program has soared, with the number of qualifying facilities now 

>> exceeding 280 

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>> The Biomass Crop Assistance Program assists agricultural and forest 

>> land owners and operators with matching payments for the amount paid 

>> for the collection, harvest, storage and transportation of eligible 

>> material by a qualified Biomass Conversion Facility. 

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>> Conservationist, 

>> 

>> I believe the time has come here in Missouri to begin a very 

>> strategic plan 

>> 

>> on how we can become not only serious players in the biomass 

>> industry, but how can 

>> 

>> we improve wildlife habitat at the same time. I will emphatically 

>> state there is 

>> 

>> known scientific evidence that will validate this claim--especially 

>> all CRP lands that 

>> 

>> currently--and maybe futuristically--are enrolled in a plant 

>> material--like fescue and 

>> 

>> brome--that has very little environmental benefits. 

>> 

>> In order to move an idea forward there has to be action. And 

>> there is no action 

>> 

>> until there is movement. My passion and cause for our state is to 

>> add wildlife, 

>> 

>> environmental and green energy benefits for Northern Missouri. How do 

>> we add 

>> 

>> value to an economically depressed area? Firstly, like a Doctor's 

>> oath of promise 

>> 

>> for receiving his degree: "Never to do Harm." We need to emulate 

>> nature's blueprint 

>> 

>> and follow a path of least resistance. It is always more difficult to 

>> bend mother 

>> 

>> nature to our wants, than it is to assimilate to an ideology that 

>> heeds to bending 

>> 

>> with her. 

>> 

>> One known truth evident here in N. Missouri is that we can grow 

>> native grass and 

>> 

>> broadleaf legumes. Cellulosic's greatest asset is that indigenous 

>> plant material suited to the soil and climate adds to the success of 

>> the project. We have the potential of 

>> 

>> rebuilding CRP with an ecologically sound plant material that will 

>> boost biodiversity 

>> 

>> and reviving rural economies. 

>> 

>> Please do not take my word for any of this, use the science at 

>> hand. There 

>> 

>> are entrepreneurs willing and hoping for such an opportunity. Does 

>> anyone 

>> 

>> out there have any suggestions on where or how to begin this 

>> endeavor? We have 

>> 

>> nearly 1.5 million acres of CRP here in Missouri. One plan could 

>> be that once 

>> 

>> the re-established CRP acres of any single tract of ground was deemed 

>> ready 

>> 

>> to be engaged into a regime of biomass/wildlife management rotation, 

>> one forth to one 

>> 

>> third of the tract would be allowed to be harvested in the months of 

>> October 

>> 

>> through January. There would be no rental penalty for the landowner 

>> to pay if the plant material was used in some biomass project. The 

>> next designated portion to be 

>> 

>> harvested--rather it be one third to one forth--would be eligible 

>> for a late spring burn 

>> 

>> to encourage both forb growth and grass development. When there is 

>> plenty of 

>> 

>> thatch build-up, there are less forbs that will have vigorous 

>> growth. We have 

>> 

>> experienced this fact in our production fields. It works like this. 

>> Plants store starches 

>> 

>> and sugars in their roots systems. In early spring, if there is a 

>> canopy of thatch which 

>> 

>> creates enormous shade, when the emerging plant sends it first two 

>> basal leaves 

>> 

>> for light scouting, perennial and long lived native plants will not 

>> take the risk of 

>> 

>> expending large amounts of root reserves to overtake the canopy--just 

>> too risky. 

>> 

>> There are many possibilities that could be worked out. Currently, 

>> though, I believe 

>> 

>> we could be passing on a great opportunity to rebuild our landscape 

>> to a vegetation that is suited to attract and sustain our rare 

>> and declining wildlife, but too, the biomass entrepreneurs. It 

>> also would be good for pollinators, producers and weaning our 

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>> nation's dependency on imported fossil fuels. I'm not saying the 

>> above is the perfect set of blueprints for a run away success story, 

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>> taxpayers--real dividends for their investment. 

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>> the adverse affects of toxic and invasive fescue. The research going 

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> Please correct me if I am wrong, but approximately 53 years ago I 

> learned in college chemistry class that more energy is required to 

> distill ethanon than is gotten out of the final product. We talked 

> about perpetual motion devices at the same time. 

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> I assume that process has not changed, and ethanol production in most 

> situations is relying on fossil fuel to heat the mash. 

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> Apparently the money trail is what counts, not the energy trail in 

> ethanol production.....I'm not going there. 

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> If distilation of alcohol could be accomplished using the spent steam 

> from steam generating plants (coal gas and NUKE), it seems the ethanol 

> manufacturers could hold their heads much higher in this greening world. 

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> On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Rudi Roeslein <RRoeslein at ROESLEIN.com 

> <mailto:RRoeslein at ROESLEIN.com>> wrote: 

> 

>> Thank you all for your professional and very well thought out and 

>> varied input on this matter. I am the CEO of a company 

>> www.roeslein.com <http://www.roeslein.com> that has actually been 

>> involved in the ethanol industry for a number of years and in fact 

>> just completed two very large corn based projects for EBenX/Abengoa, 

>> in Illinois and in Indiana. We have also worked with BlueFire on 

>> their Lancaster California proposed project for several years. We 

>> have also been instrumental in taking modular processes to over 40 

>> different countries in the past 20 years using a modular approach 

>> that uses American Technology, but more importantly our labor to 

>> produce and manufacture over 60 % of the labor that would normally be 

>> stick built in these foreign countries. All of these processes were 

>> proven and commercially viable, and they had a track record of 

>> success in the US before we took them overseas. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The facts regarding the bio fuel industry and which technology will 

>> actually prove to be commercially viable are still evolving and 

>> unproven commercially. There are several technologies that have been 

>> proven to work in both laboratory scales and even with demonstration 

>> scales. It is however a huge leap commercially and technologically 

>> to scale these units up to a commercially viable production facility. 

>> It will take companies with a proven track record of success in 

>> related industries and that have the financial staying power to 

>> weather the financial droughts to be successful in this arena. I 

>> have spent the last three years studying this industry in order to 

>> make sound and well informed decisions on which process company we 

>> should engage our modular services with the expectation of provide 

>> long term modular engineering and manufacturing services. 

>> 

>> I have also visited the University of Minnesota and met with Dr. 

>> David Tilman and Dr. Clarence Lehman to discuss their views on this 

>> subject and to visit their research farm where they are growing 

>> various grasses and conducting a variety of tests. I have also met 

>> with Dr. Peter Raven, the Director of the Missouri Botanical garden 

>> regarding the biodiversity of plants and animals and how various 

>> countries like China are dealing with their industrialization and the 

>> environment. I have read countless magazines, articles, publications 

>> and must profess I still do not pretend to be “smarter than a fifth 

>> grader”. These efforts were all towards making a sound decision as 

>> to the right decision on feedstock materials. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have traveled extensively to China since 1982, and have witnessed 

>> firsthand the growth of industry, infrastructure, and the shift from 

>> fairly low energy means of transportation such as bicycles, motor 

>> scooters, trains, buses, and just plain foot power to a highly 

>> mechanized motorcade of cars and other combustion engines. Because 

>> Dr. Raven has worked with many different countries and especially 

>> China we discussed the biodiversity of plants along the more 

>> industrialized eastern sections of the country and shared the same 

>> view. It is an ecological travesty and a disaster. The rivers are 

>> extremely polluted, the natural resources are exploited to the 

>> breaking point and in a lot of cities the air quality is deplorable. 

>> What does that have to do with this subject? I believe it has to do 

>> with the fact that China is a window into the future of any 

>> developing nation dealing with a very high demand on all of its 

>> resources because of population explosions. When I immigrated to the 

>> US in 1956 there were 150 million people. Today there are over 300 

>> million people. The burgeoning demands on all of our resources will 

>> continue to grow and it scares the hell out of me to think that China 

>> is an example of what could happen here. I am sure there are a few 

>> right now saying that can’t happen, but in just the last 20 years of 

>> my travelling back and forth from St. Louis to my central Missouri 

>> farm in Osage County I have seen a tremendous amount of growth and 

>> development that has continued to gobble up prime farm real estate 

>> and wildlife habitat. I have travelled all over the US and seen the 

>> same explosion. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I truly believe that Missouri needs a comprehensive energy, land, 

>> water, and resource utilization plan that inventories what we have 

>> today and how we best intend to utilize those resources in the 

>> future, as well as position Missouri to attract the leading process 

>> providers in this industry.. Dr. Clarence Lehman and some of his 

>> colleagues at the University of Minnesota prepared a very 

>> comprehensive feasibility study for the White Horse Indian 

>> reservation, that “presents a detailed analysis of the economic and 

>> technical feasibility of utilizing existing biomass resources on the 

>> White Horse Reservation to develop a renewable energy biofuels 

>> demonstration facility. It also considers the possibility of 

>> developing, harvesting and marketing native prairie plants and seeds 

>> for bioenergy production.” I am copying Dr Lehman on this email 

>> since he was kind enough to provide me with a copy of this extremely 

>> professional and well done study. I am sharing the executive summary 

>> with this group since I believe it is imperative that the policy 

>> makers and the decision makers of this state become well informed 

>> regarding this important subject. There will be many companies and 

>> people purported to have the solutions and answers for this hot and 

>> politically charges subject. I believe the State of Missouri should 

>> do a similar study before deciding how and where to spend the money 

>> that is going to be expended for this exciting new industry. We have 

>> an opportunity to get it right and combine our industrial efforts and 

>> economic stimulus with environmental and conservation causes that are 

>> scientifically sound and environmentally sustainable. I believe the 

>> 20 years that Dr. Tilman and other renowned scientists have studied 

>> the benefits of a diverse and varied planting has convinced me the 

>> sustainable way of taking this industry is thru the use of our 

>> prairie planting and the many benefits derived from this once 

>> abundant and beneficial eco system. I am working with the process 

>> providers to convince them to develop their processes to be able to 

>> fully utilize these resources. It is up to the assigned 

>> representatives of Missouri to come up with a plan to attract 

>> investment. The planting of grasslands is an essential part of the 

>> needs of this industry, and needs to be a very high priority or we 

>> will be left out of the mainstream movement. If you don’t have the 

>> supply of biomass material the process providers will not come. I 

>> believe such a study would certainly be a good first step in the 

>> right direction. If Dr. Lehman approves the idea I will send 

>> interested parties a full copy of this report, or would be happy to 

>> meet with them to review the entire report.” This study evaluated the 

>> conversion platforms ranging from the simple to the complex with the 

>> common goal of converting renewable biomass to some useful form of 

>> energy that is called biofuel.” 

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>> 

>> 

>> The question to be answered by the study are: 

>> 

>> 1.How do the various conversion platforms differ? 

>> 

>> 2.How does plant scale affect economic performance? 

>> 

>> 3.What are capital costs and return on investment for the platforms? 

>> 

>> 4.What is the financial impact of biomass cost and rack prices of 

>> ethanol and gasoline? 

>> 

>> 5. How much biomass is required for different platforms? 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have purchased 1100 acres of land in Putnam county and will be 

>> converting the marginal agricultural land to native prairie plantings 

>> and am currently working with the MDC, PLM John Murphy to provide an 

>> example of what can be done with WSG plantings and have at least 300 

>> to 500 acres of prairie plantings available for our process providers 

>> by the time they are ready to take their process commercial. This is 

>> obviously a drop in the bucket since it will take over four hundred 

>> thousands acres to support a single 50 mm gallon economically 

>> viable plant, and as has been pointed out within a economical viable 

>> range of that plant. I am taking the prairie planting route since it 

>> provides so many environmental benefits that are lacking in 

>> monolithic plantings of most other alternatives. Since this farm is 

>> located near an area that once supported prairie chickens I am hoping 

>> an added befit will be to provide the wildlife friendly grasses and 

>> forbs necessary to the survival of this diminishing species. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> In addition, Dr. Tilman’s studies have repeatedly demonstrated these 

>> benefits to be to sequester CO2, filter the water, as well as 

>> replenish the ground water table, prevent soil erosion, provide 

>> innumerable wildlife habitat benefits, and provide the insects and 

>> forage that most cool season grasses, especially fescue is lacking. 

>> Even if Biofuel develops in a different direction or not at all these 

>> biodiverse plantings in native prairie are a sound investment in our 

>> environment and our wildlife conservation program.. The very 

>> biodiversity that makes them a challenge will bring out the best in 

>> our technological superiority, and our ingenuity. We did to go to 

>> the moon without overcoming challenges and developing new products 

>> and technology. No, I believe if we had not gone to the moon many of 

>> the new scientific break thru in computer technology, propellants 

>> and untold other new inventions that would not be with us today. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have traveled throughout the US and Canada hunting the bountiful 

>> wildlife we are so privileged to have and repeatedly sung the praises 

>> of our state as leaders in conservation and wildlife practices. We 

>> are at a threshold of opportunity and it is thru leadership by 

>> example and making informed decisions based on science and biology 

>> that we will take our rightful role in this very important movement. 

>> Please do not be misled by political or special interest groups that 

>> do not take our wildlife and our most precious resources into 

>> consideration, but seem to have simplistic and self serving answers. 

>> I have seen the end result of that process in China and can only work 

>> frantically on my properties to show an example of what can be a 

>> viable and sustainable alternative. I hope all of you will become 

>> informed on the entire subject and not just some small narrow band of 

>> interest. Take the challenge, help be part of the solution and not 

>> the problem. Please take time to read the attachment and if Dr . 

>> Lehman approves the idea I will send the interested parties the 

>> entire study. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> *From:* Bill McGuire [mailto:Bill.McGuire at mdc.mo.gov] 

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:05 AM 

>> *To:* 'steveaflick at earthlink.net 

>> <mailto:%27steveaflick at earthlink.net>'; 'Scott Woodbury'; 'Hamilton 

>> Native Outpost'; 'Frank Oberle'; Rudi Roeslein; 'Carol Davit'; 'Kevin 

>> Carpenter'; 'Jon Wingo' 

>> *Cc:* 'Ben Duffield'; 'Amy Buechler'; 'Mervin Wallace'; John Hoskins; 

>> 'John Burk'; John Knudsen; 'Steve Mowry'; Dave Erickson; 'Denny 

>> Donnell'; 'Wayne Morton'; 'George Seek'; 'Kelly Srigley Werner'; 

>> 'Linda Tossing'; 'Alan Leary'; 'Ted Cooper'; 'Susan Hazelwood'; 'Mike 

>> Currier'; 'Steve Heyling'; Andrew Forbes; 'James Trager'; 'Tim 

>> Barksdale'; 'Tim Reinbott'; 'phil wire'; DeeCee Darrow; John Murphy; 

>> 'Dave Murphy'; Bill Bergh; 'Dwaine Gelnar'; 'Allen Powell'; 'JR 

>> Flores'; 'Eddie Hamill'; Gene Gardner; Tim Banek; 'Darlene Johnson'; 

>> 'Karen Brinkman'; Brent Jamison; Keith Jackson; Aaron Jeffries; 'Jean 

>> Herman'; 'Steve Bruckerhoff'; 'Jerry Kaiser'; 'Ken Struemph'; 

>> staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* RE: biomass 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> CRP is a national program and the reasons it exists are complex. 

>> There is not a lot of support at the national level (more broadly 

>> than conveyed below) to moving CRP away from the soil, water, 

>> wildlife and related purposes that have been legislated. There is 

>> more support for the idea of CRP as a reservoir of biomass feedstocks 

>> if done as compatible use (i.e. harvest OK as long as the purposes of 

>> the program are preserved and in accordance with existing authorities 

>> which reflect negotiated position among many diverse groups) – there 

>> is less support as thinking moves CRP away from that paradigm. Some 

>> of the USDA representatives receiving this message can correct me if 

>> wrong but biomass harvest from CRP has been possible since the 2002 

>> Farm Bill. It is also important to know that CRP has been an 

>> important emergency reservoir of forage that has benefited livestock 

>> producers in times of weather-related disaster (many, many times in 

>> just about every state with significant CRP) and that is only 

>> possible by way of CRP being what it is. CRP has always been viewed 

>> as a reservoir of land that could quickly go back in crop production 

>> in the event of national emergency such as war (the Secretary of 

>> Agriculture has authority to make that call). It won’t be possible 

>> for CRP to be all of the above all the time and changing the magic of 

>> the formula that created and maintains CRP could erode flexibility 

>> for the land to be what the country needs when it is needed. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> There is much uncertainty about the CRP and biofuel feedstock 

>> production but the following factors are very much at play: 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> · Producing biofuel feedstocks on CRP or other land will 

>> accomplish little unless there is a processing or other facility to 

>> use it within a reasonable distance (50-75 miles is the distance 

>> usually discussed because to transport farther makes biofuel 

>> production uneconomical). 

>> 

>> · Industry (and often academia) continues to be focused on 

>> maximizing production from single-purpose monoculture production and 

>> that will drive things in the short term which could turn into the 

>> long term. 

>> 

>> · Funding and economics will be the overriding factors for 

>> some time to come (as in money from programs, tax or other incentives 

>> and bottom-line profitability). 

>> 

>> · Change to CRP that benefits wildlife in one part of the 

>> U.S. can result in harm to wildlife if applied in another place. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> A final word on CRP is simply to be aware that the playing field is 

>> very complicated as is the biofuels playing field. Put them together 

>> and you have a 3-D chess game in terms of complexity and that is 

>> loaded with potential for unintended consequence. My only advice is 

>> to seek to understand all the issues before coming to very many 

>> conclusions. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Bill 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> *From:* Steve Flick [mailto:steveaflick at earthlink.net] 

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:46 AM 

>> *To:* 'Scott Woodbury'; 'Hamilton Native Outpost'; 'Frank Oberle'; 

>> 'Rudi Roeslein'; 'Carol Davit'; 'Kevin Carpenter'; 'Jon Wingo' 

>> *Cc:* 'Ben Duffield'; 'Amy Buechler'; 'Mervin Wallace'; John Hoskins; 

>> 'John Burk'; John Knudsen; 'Steve Mowry'; Dave Erickson; 'Denny 

>> Donnell'; 'Wayne Morton'; 'George Seek'; 'Kelly Srigley Werner'; 

>> 'Linda Tossing'; 'Alan Leary'; 'Ted Cooper'; 'Susan Hazelwood'; 'Mike 

>> Currier'; 'Steve Heyling'; Andrew Forbes; 'James Trager'; 'Tim 

>> Barksdale'; 'Tim Reinbott'; 'phil wire'; DeeCee Darrow; John Murphy; 

>> 'Dave Murphy'; Bill Bergh; Bill McGuire; 'Dwaine Gelnar'; 'Allen 

>> Powell'; 'JR Flores'; 'Eddie Hamill'; Gene Gardner; Tim Banek; 

>> 'Darlene Johnson'; 'Karen Brinkman'; Brent Jamison; Keith Jackson; 

>> Aaron Jeffries; 'Jean Herman'; 'Steve Bruckerhoff'; 'Jerry Kaiser'; 

>> 'Ken Struemph'; staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* RE: biomass 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have been growing miscanthus for years as a feedstock for the bio 

>> refinery- although there is a FSA program about to be launched for 

>> spring 2010 for dedicated energy crop production- you still need a 

>> organization to purchase that crop- and refine it 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> As it relates to CRP- I believe you will have to get through policy 

>> of NWF/EDL/Nature Conservancy- to make that happen- they are big 

>> policy makers in D.C.- pretty tough assignment 

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>> 

>> Regards 

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>> 

>> Steve A Flick Principal Environmental Ecologist 

>> 

>> Flick Seed Company 

>> 

>> 1764 N.W. 50 rd P.O. Box 128 

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>> Kingsville, Mo. 64061 

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>> 816-597-3822(o) 

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>> 816-597-3663(f) 

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>> www.seedguys.com <http://www.seedguys.com> 

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>> -----Original Message----- 

>> *From:* Scott Woodbury [mailto:Scott.Woodbury at mobot.org] 

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:32 AM 

>> *To:* Hamilton Native Outpost; Frank Oberle; Rudi Roeslein; Carol 

>> Davit; Kevin Carpenter; Jon Wingo 

>> *Cc:* Ben Duffield; Amy Buechler; Mervin Wallace; John Hoskins; John 

>> Burk; John Knudsen; Steve Mowry; David Erickson; Denny Donnell; Wayne 

>> Morton; George Seek; Kelly Srigley Werner; Linda Tossing; Alan Leary; 

>> Ted Cooper; Susan Hazelwood; Mike Currier; Steve Heyling; Andrew 

>> Forbes; James Trager; Tim Barksdale; Tim Reinbott; phil wire; DeeCee 

>> Darrow; John Murphy; Dave Murphy; Bill Bergh; Bill McGuire; Dwaine 

>> Gelnar; Allen Powell; JR Flores; Eddie Hamill; Gene Gardner; Tim 

>> Banek; Darlene Johnson; Karen Brinkman; Brent Jamison; Keith Jackson; 

>> Aaron Jeffries; Jean Herman; Steve Bruckerhoff; Steve Flick; Jerry 

>> Kaiser; Ken Struemph; staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* RE: biomass 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> This sounds great as long as long as landowners opt for a diverse 

>> planting in CRP. Right now the research on biomass is showing that 

>> sterile hybrid miscanthus yields 2-3 times as much biomass as native 

>> switchgrass, and therefore could bring in more money. That’s 

>> comparing a pure stand of switchgrass to a pure stand of miscanthus. 

>> Now days’ CRP isn’t a pure stand of switchgrass. My fear is that 

>> landowners will drop CRP when they see that they can make more money 

>> growing miscanthus? Of course this can’t happen until Miscanthus 

>> production becomes mechanized. Please tell me otherwise. I don’t like 

>> the idea of miscanthus replacing CRP. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Scott 

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>> *From:* Hamilton Native Outpost [mailto:hamilton at train.missouri.org] 

>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2009 1:56 PM 

>> *To:* 'Frank Oberle'; 'Rudi Roeslein'; 'Carol Davit'; 'Kevin 

>> Carpenter'; 'Jon Wingo' 

>> *Cc:* 'Ben Duffield'; 'Amy Buechler'; 'Mervin Wallace'; 'John 

>> Hoskins'; 'John Burk'; 'John Knudsen'; 'Steve Mowry'; 'David 

>> Erickson'; 'Denny Donnell'; 'Wayne Morton'; 'George Seek'; 'Kelly 

>> Srigley Werner'; 'Linda Tossing'; 'Alan Leary'; 'Ted Cooper'; 'Susan 

>> Hazelwood'; 'Mike Currier'; 'Steve Heyling'; 'Andrew Forbes'; James 

>> Trager; Scott Woodbury; 'Tim Barksdale'; 'Tim Reinbott'; 'phil wire'; 

>> 'DeeCee Darrow'; 'John Murphy'; 'Dave Murphy'; 'Bill Bergh'; 'Bill 

>> McGuire'; 'Dwaine Gelnar'; 'Allen Powell'; 'JR Flores'; 'Eddie 

>> Hamill'; 'Gene Gardner'; 'Tim Banek'; 'Darlene Johnson'; 'Karen 

>> Brinkman'; 'Brent Jamison'; 'Keith Jackson'; 'Aaron Jeffries'; 'Jean 

>> Herman'; 'Steve Bruckerhoff'; 'Steve Flick'; 'Jerry Kaiser'; 'Ken 

>> Struemph'; staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* RE: biomass 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> CRP as we have known it in the past may have been a fescue field or a 

>> rank stand of native grasses with little diversity. Conservation is 

>> ready to step up to the next level and create rare and declining 

>> habitat. To marry biofuels with wildlife conservation has the added 

>> benefit of bringing disturbance into the picture. Disturbance is 

>> important to grasslands; fire, herbivores, and climatic extremes once 

>> acted as disturbance factors. The use of the mowing on the biofuel ¼ 

>> or 1/3 would be a forn of disturbance as would the burning on another 

>> ¼ or 1/3. Some of the grassland wildlife is even dependent on this 

>> disturbance. I think this has lots of potential. 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Amy Hamilton 

>> 

>> Hamilton Native Outpost 

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>> *From:* Frank Oberle [mailto:foberle at nemr.net] 

>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:00 PM 

>> *To:* Rudi Roeslein; Carol Davit; Kevin Carpenter; Jon Wingo 

>> *Cc:* Ben Duffield; Amy Hamilton; Amy Buechler; Mervin Wallace; John 

>> Hoskins; John Burk; John Knudsen; Steve Mowry; Amy Buechler; David 

>> Erickson; Denny Donnell; Wayne Morton; George Seek; John Burk; Kelly 

>> Srigley Werner; Linda Tossing; Steve Mowry; Alan Leary; Ted Cooper; 

>> Susan Hazelwood; Mike Currier; Steve Heyling; Andrew Forbes; James 

>> Trager; Scott Woodbury; Tim Barksdale; Tim Reinbott; phil wire; 

>> DeeCee Darrow; John Murphy; Dave Murphy; Bill Bergh; Bill McGuire; 

>> Dwaine Gelnar; Allen Powell; JR Flores; Eddie Hamill; Dwaine Gelnar; 

>> Gene Gardner; Tim Banek; Darlene Johnson; Karen Brinkman; Brent 

>> Jamison; Keith Jackson; Aaron Jeffries; Jean Herman; Steve 

>> Bruckerhoff; Steve Flick; Jerry Kaiser; Ken Struemph; Andrew Forbes; 

>> staceyg at missouri.edu <mailto:staceyg at missouri.edu> 

>> *Subject:* Fw: biomass 

>> 

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>> *Policy and Policymakers* 

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>> *In Washington,* the popularity of the USDA's Biomass Crop Assistance 

>> Program has soared, with the number of qualifying facilities now 

>> exceeding 280 

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>> The Biomass Crop Assistance Program assists agricultural and forest 

>> land owners and operators with matching payments for the amount paid 

>> for the collection, harvest, storage and transportation of eligible 

>> material by a qualified Biomass Conversion Facility. 

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>> Conservationist, 

>> 

>> I believe the time has come here in Missouri to begin a very 

>> strategic plan 

>> 

>> on how we can become not only serious players in the biomass 

>> industry, but how can 

>> 

>> we improve wildlife habitat at the same time. I will emphatically 

>> state there is 

>> 

>> known scientific evidence that will validate this claim--especially 

>> all CRP lands that 

>> 

>> currently--and maybe futuristically--are enrolled in a plant 

>> material--like fescue and 

>> 

>> brome--that has very little environmental benefits. 

>> 

>> In order to move an idea forward there has to be action. And 

>> there is no action 

>> 

>> until there is movement. My passion and cause for our state is to 

>> add wildlife, 

>> 

>> environmental and green energy benefits for Northern Missouri. How do 

>> we add 

>> 

>> value to an economically depressed area? Firstly, like a Doctor's 

>> oath of promise 

>> 

>> for receiving his degree: "Never to do Harm." We need to emulate 

>> nature's blueprint 

>> 

>> and follow a path of least resistance. It is always more difficult to 

>> bend mother 

>> 

>> nature to our wants, than it is to assimilate to an ideology that 

>> heeds to bending 

>> 

>> with her. 

>> 

>> One known truth evident here in N. Missouri is that we can grow 

>> native grass and 

>> 

>> broadleaf legumes. Cellulosic's greatest asset is that indigenous 

>> plant material suited to the soil and climate adds to the success of 

>> the project. We have the potential of 

>> 

>> rebuilding CRP with an ecologically sound plant material that will 

>> boost biodiversity 

>> 

>> and reviving rural economies. 

>> 

>> Please do not take my word for any of this, use the science at 

>> hand. There 

>> 

>> are entrepreneurs willing and hoping for such an opportunity. Does 

>> anyone 

>> 

>> out there have any suggestions on where or how to begin this 

>> endeavor? We have 

>> 

>> nearly 1.5 million acres of CRP here in Missouri. One plan could 

>> be that once 

>> 

>> the re-established CRP acres of any single tract of ground was deemed 

>> ready 

>> 

>> to be engaged into a regime of biomass/wildlife management rotation, 

>> one forth to one 

>> 

>> third of the tract would be allowed to be harvested in the months of 

>> October 

>> 

>> through January. There would be no rental penalty for the landowner 

>> to pay if the plant material was used in some biomass project. The 

>> next designated portion to be 

>> 

>> harvested--rather it be one third to one forth--would be eligible 

>> for a late spring burn 

>> 

>> to encourage both forb growth and grass development. When there is 

>> plenty of 

>> 

>> thatch build-up, there are less forbs that will have vigorous 

>> growth. We have 

>> 

>> experienced this fact in our production fields. It works like this. 

>> Plants store starches 

>> 

>> and sugars in their roots systems. In early spring, if there is a 

>> canopy of thatch which 

>> 

>> creates enormous shade, when the emerging plant sends it first two 

>> basal leaves 

>> 

>> for light scouting, perennial and long lived native plants will not 

>> take the risk of 

>> 

>> expending large amounts of root reserves to overtake the canopy--just 

>> too risky. 

>> 

>> There are many possibilities that could be worked out. Currently, 

>> though, I believe 

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>> we could be passing on a great opportunity to rebuild our landscape 

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>> also would be good for pollinators, producers and weaning our 

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>> nation's dependency on imported fossil fuels. I'm not saying the 

>> above is the perfect set of blueprints for a run away success story, 

>> however, I can say with wisdom and discernment that CRP could use a 

>> make-over that gives the customer--our hard working American 

>> taxpayers--real dividends for their investment. 

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>> In the beginning of the Conservation Reserve Program, the goals 

>> of preventing soil erosion and cleaning up our streams was an 

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>> conservation accomplishment. We have progressed immensely in the 

>> field of understanding and implementing native plant communities and 

>> the adverse affects of toxic and invasive fescue. The research going 

>> on at NRCS's Plant Material Center and 

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>> MU's Bradford Farm will yield much to the enhancement of a myriad of 

>> wildlife and biomass concerns. Thanks to all those partners 

>> supporting these exigencies. fo 

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